Comments on: DENIAL IS A CITY IN NEVADA http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/ Charting the disconnect between climate science and action Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:48:59 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: John VIncent http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/comment-page-1/#comment-49500 John VIncent Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:00:01 +0000 http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/#comment-49500 Vegas is thriving. New pipline in the works and breakthrough technology is pending to re direct Colorado River. Vegas is thriving. New pipline in the works and breakthrough technology is pending to re direct Colorado River.

]]> By: Preserv E. http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/comment-page-1/#comment-44492 Preserv E. Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:23:28 +0000 http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/#comment-44492 I think Las Vegas should never have been created, but since is has been, there is no use in crying over spilled milk. All we have to do now is find a way to deal with the problem we created. Much easier said than done, especially because many people are ignorant to the fact that Vegas is such an energy drain. If Vegas shut down its power for one hour every day, so much energy and money would be conserved. Las Vegas doesn't do much "good" to the world economically or scientifically. It is a rather "dirty" place where people go to indulge in gambling, drinking, and adultery. Not everyone who goes to Vegas do this, and the residents of Las Vegas probably don't do this as much, but I am speaking of a majority. Even morals aside, Las Vegas just does not contribute to the world (overall) in a positive way. So, to the issue of dealing with this immense energy drain known as Las Vegas. There are really only two options to deal with this problem. The first is to somehow get Vegas to be much more environmentally friendly in its energy consumption. Any energy being consumed not provided by the hoover dam, should be provided by alternative energy sources, such as solar and wind. Also, the residents of Vegas would have to be more motivated and open to conserving energy and be more willing not to waste the energy given to them. This idea has a low chance of success, as many Vegas residents (mainly Casionos and malls on the strip) are so energy consumptive and wasteful, and are not willing to change. The next plan, would be to get rid of Vegas, and cut its powere supply, until the strip closes down, and all of the hotels are abandoned. Then the ghost town could be destroyed, and the power generated by the hoover dam could be used elsewhere. This would conserve energy and water, however it is also highly improbable. The government would not let Vegas be destroyed, even if only their fear (which its not) is because another Vegas would spring up somewhere else, in its place. Also, the people who live in Las Vegas would not want to desert their homes to conserve huge amounts of energy and water. Either way, it is going to be extremely expensive and a difficult task for the residents of this desert town. I think Las Vegas should never have been created, but since is has been, there is no use in crying over spilled milk. All we have to do now is find a way to deal with the problem we created. Much easier said than done, especially because many people are ignorant to the fact that Vegas is such an energy drain. If Vegas shut down its power for one hour every day, so much energy and money would be conserved.
Las Vegas doesn’t do much “good” to the world economically or scientifically. It is a rather “dirty” place where people go to indulge in gambling, drinking, and adultery. Not everyone who goes to Vegas do this, and the residents of Las Vegas probably don’t do this as much, but I am speaking of a majority. Even morals aside, Las Vegas just does not contribute to the world (overall) in a positive way.
So, to the issue of dealing with this immense energy drain known as Las Vegas. There are really only two options to deal with this problem. The first is to somehow get Vegas to be much more environmentally friendly in its energy consumption. Any energy being consumed not provided by the hoover dam, should be provided by alternative energy sources, such as solar and wind. Also, the residents of Vegas would have to be more motivated and open to conserving energy and be more willing not to waste the energy given to them. This idea has a low chance of success, as many Vegas residents (mainly Casionos and malls on the strip) are so energy consumptive and wasteful, and are not willing to change.
The next plan, would be to get rid of Vegas, and cut its powere supply, until the strip closes down, and all of the hotels are abandoned. Then the ghost town could be destroyed, and the power generated by the hoover dam could be used elsewhere. This would conserve energy and water, however it is also highly improbable. The government would not let Vegas be destroyed, even if only their fear (which its not) is because another Vegas would spring up somewhere else, in its place. Also, the people who live in Las Vegas would not want to desert their homes to conserve huge amounts of energy and water. Either way, it is going to be extremely expensive and a difficult task for the residents of this desert town.

]]> By: Kids in Vegas http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/comment-page-1/#comment-41839 Kids in Vegas Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:32:59 +0000 http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/#comment-41839 Interesting what 2 years can bring Projects on hold. Jobs going away. Station Casinos and 14,000 jobs about to go bye bye. Water? Power? Goodman's solution is "We'll Buy our Solution". Dubai going to fund everything with oil back to less than 40 a barrel? In 1998 it was hard to find a home over 1 million. In 2004 it seems crap shacks were 1 million. Now the market is collapsing because the "REAL MONEY" was never there. Vegas is in some serious trouble. Interesting what 2 years can bring Projects on hold. Jobs going away. Station Casinos and 14,000 jobs about to go bye bye.

Water? Power? Goodman’s solution is “We’ll Buy our Solution”. Dubai going to fund everything with oil back to less than 40 a barrel?

In 1998 it was hard to find a home over 1 million. In 2004 it seems crap shacks were 1 million. Now the market is collapsing because the “REAL MONEY” was never there.

Vegas is in some serious trouble.

]]> By: Greg Jacobs a.k.a. "ShockG" of digital undergound http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/comment-page-1/#comment-18785 Greg Jacobs a.k.a. "ShockG" of digital undergound Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:34:11 +0000 http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/#comment-18785 In a heated argument over who's kids would survive the future, I witnessed two parents; one vegetarian and one omnivore, who both had good points. The vegetarian claimed his kids had the best chance due to less toxic food intake and more efficient nutrition. The omnivore theorized that as the world's food choices become more and more processed, a toleration to junk food must be aquired, and therefore his kids were better fit for survival. I myself am vegan, so one would think I'd agree with the vegi-family, BUT it seems the omnivore/eat-whatever family may be the victors, as the human species is currently going thru a genetic mutation at the DNA level. (google "Indigo Children") That's right, our very DNA codes have changed more in the last 40 years than they have in the last 400,000 years. Since 1994 kids are being born with livers that are more capable of processing fast food than their previous generation. In addition, the Great Flood, the Black/Bubonic plague, and AIDS were all also supposed to "wipe out humanity" but neither did. So, with all of the above in mind, it's hard for me to believe that Vegas (or America) will crumble in our life time, or even anytime soon like the next 200 years. The people who run Vegas are of that "by any means necessary" variety. They will truck, plane, and helicopter bottled water in if necessary, and Vegas will evolve to be the first city where drinking or cooking with tap water is illegal. And later when climates become untolerable, we will witness the emergance of the great bubble cities inwhich the entire city is covered and state to state travel is done by vacuum tube trains, both over and underground. Summary: If the comedian George Carlin is right, then the human species has already been flushed by Mother Nature and we are now living in one of the hundred-thousand year curves deep down in the final cone of the spiral. And Las Vegas? ..Vegas is one of those stubborn turds that pops back up after the flush. Ha ha ha ha ha! Peace, love, and a cinnamon bagel w/veggie spread! ShockG In a heated argument over who’s kids would survive the future, I witnessed two parents; one vegetarian and one omnivore, who both had good points. The vegetarian claimed his kids had the best chance due to less toxic food intake and more efficient nutrition. The omnivore theorized that as the world’s food choices become more and more processed, a toleration to junk food must be aquired, and therefore his kids were better fit for survival.
I myself am vegan, so one would think I’d agree with the vegi-family, BUT it seems the omnivore/eat-whatever family may be the victors, as the human species is currently going thru a genetic mutation at the DNA level. (google “Indigo Children”) That’s right, our very DNA codes have changed more in the last 40 years than they have in the last 400,000 years. Since 1994 kids are being born with livers that are more capable of processing fast food than their previous generation.
In addition, the Great Flood, the Black/Bubonic plague, and AIDS were all also supposed to “wipe out humanity” but neither did.

So, with all of the above in mind, it’s hard for me to believe that Vegas (or America) will crumble in our life time, or even anytime soon like the next 200 years. The people who run Vegas are of that “by any means necessary” variety. They will truck, plane, and helicopter bottled water in if necessary, and Vegas will evolve to be the first city where drinking or cooking with tap water is illegal. And later when climates become untolerable, we will witness the emergance of the great bubble cities inwhich the entire city is covered and state to state travel is done by vacuum tube trains, both over and underground.

Summary: If the comedian George Carlin is right, then the human species has already been flushed by Mother Nature and we are now living in one of the hundred-thousand year curves deep down in the final cone of the spiral.
And Las Vegas? ..Vegas is one of those stubborn turds that pops back up after the flush.
Ha ha ha ha ha!

Peace, love, and a cinnamon bagel w/veggie spread!
ShockG

]]> By: Geoffrey L. Heabler http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/comment-page-1/#comment-1709 Geoffrey L. Heabler Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:14:32 +0000 http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/#comment-1709 Would the City of Taking Chances be interested in investing in 2 new technologies that might work for power generation& water conservation. The first is based on the properties of magnetics, I believe that the principle of repellation could be the clean energy supply of the future. Secondly, I believe that the whole body dryer system could probably save hundreds of thousands of gallons of water a week , just in eliminating a load of bath towels in your washer. I believe that applied magnetics will be the saviour of planet earth. Would the City of Taking Chances be interested in investing in 2 new technologies that might work for power generation& water conservation. The first is based on the properties of magnetics, I believe that the principle of repellation could be the clean energy supply of the future. Secondly, I believe that the whole body dryer system could probably save hundreds of thousands of gallons of water a week , just in eliminating a load of bath towels in your washer. I believe that applied magnetics will be the saviour of planet earth.

]]> By: Calem http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/comment-page-1/#comment-1661 Calem Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:20:26 +0000 http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/#comment-1661 Does anyone know where exactly (or which company) they intend to get this water from? That may help us to understand what one of the sub plots behind this really is..! Does anyone know where exactly (or which company) they intend to get this water from?

That may help us to understand what one of the sub plots behind this really is..!

]]> By: Robert http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/comment-page-1/#comment-1492 Robert Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:19:34 +0000 http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/#comment-1492 Just a thought I wanted to pass on. Our family had 10 second feet of water in the Colorado River. About 14 years ago, we tried to sell it or lease it to the City of Las Vegas. We were told to talk to your senator Harry Reed. Your Senator Harry Reed, said he wasn't interested. And now I wonder what he would say? Just a thought I wanted to pass on.
Our family had 10 second feet of water in the Colorado
River.
About 14 years ago, we tried to sell it or lease it to the City of Las Vegas.
We were told to talk to your senator Harry Reed.
Your Senator Harry Reed, said he wasn’t interested. And
now I wonder what he would say?

]]> By: Nancy Rutman http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/comment-page-1/#comment-144 Nancy Rutman Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:49:12 +0000 http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/#comment-144 I'm glad I'm not the only one who recognizes that Las Vegas is a fool's paradise. Funny how all those critics who say we shouldn't rebuild New Orleans do not apply the same logic to Las Vegas. They're both unsustainable. One location is too low and wet; the other too hot and dry. One shouldn't be rebuilt; the other should never have been built in the first place. Meanwhile, perfectly livable (from a climate standpoint) ex-farming communities in the Midwest are starving for population. Insanity. I’m glad I’m not the only one who recognizes that Las Vegas is a fool’s paradise.

Funny how all those critics who say we shouldn’t rebuild New Orleans do not apply the same logic to Las Vegas. They’re both unsustainable. One location is too low and wet; the other too hot and dry. One shouldn’t be rebuilt; the other should never have been built in the first place. Meanwhile, perfectly livable (from a climate standpoint) ex-farming communities in the Midwest are starving for population.

Insanity.

]]> By: Mark Ritzenhein http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/comment-page-1/#comment-143 Mark Ritzenhein Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:50:00 +0000 http://climatedenial.org/2006/11/20/denial-is-a-city-in-nevada/#comment-143 Human beings do not change course until forced to by circumstances. That means that the current manner of conduction business will continue until it no longer works ("human beings exploit an opportunity to exhaustion"). As the author states, the people planning new development in Las Vegas are motivated by the usual human concerns: personal profit and comfort, ignorance and shortsighted planning, and the tacit belief in unending progress. I sometimes wish that the belief in Progress would come to an end, but that will happen with the realization that we cannot escape the dead end trap in which we find ourselves caught--like a roiling pod of increasingly crowded fish. There is only one solution to the human predicament, and i believe that it is auto-annihilation. Unfortunately we will take down most of the life on the planet with us, it seems. Las Vegas is, indeed, a prime example of blind excess. However, when the ability to sustain such an artificial oasis finally exceeds the natural capacity of the land, then people will be forced to abandon it in whole just as happend seven hundred years earlier. We shouldn't gloat about this, however, not only because it will just be another signal development in our planetary crisis, but because it will be our fellow human beings who will be suffering for it--regardless of the cause. Human beings do not change course until forced to by circumstances. That means that the current manner of conduction business will continue until it no longer works (”human beings exploit an opportunity to exhaustion”). As the author states, the people planning new development in Las Vegas are motivated by the usual human concerns: personal profit and comfort, ignorance and shortsighted planning, and the tacit belief in unending progress.
I sometimes wish that the belief in Progress would come to an end, but that will happen with the realization that we cannot escape the dead end trap in which we find ourselves caught–like a roiling pod of increasingly crowded fish.
There is only one solution to the human predicament, and i believe that it is auto-annihilation. Unfortunately we will take down most of the life on the planet with us, it seems.
Las Vegas is, indeed, a prime example of blind excess. However, when the ability to sustain such an artificial oasis finally exceeds the natural capacity of the land, then people will be forced to abandon it in whole just as happend seven hundred years earlier. We shouldn’t gloat about this, however, not only because it will just be another signal development in our planetary crisis, but because it will be our fellow human beings who will be suffering for it–regardless of the cause.

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